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r/DebateReligion • … • u/S_O_M_M_S

Theists and atheists agree on these following points.

I was thinking the other day about how much myself (theist) and my brother (atheist) actually agree. Then I wondered if this would hold in general.

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So...I thought I'd ask on reddit.

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I originally posted this question to r/atheism as I thought it made the most sense. Epic disaster. I thought I might find calmer heads and cooler thinking here.

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Since its inception in the late 1920's the theory of the big bang has become almost universally accepted as scientific fact. Nearly a century of scientific inquiry has yielded both refinement to and empirical support for the theory. What we now know about the beginning of the universe is that all space and time, matter and energy began some 13.5 billion years ago from a singularity in an event that we now colloquially refer to as the Big Bang.

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It seems to me that in sober and honest reasoning both theist and atheist alike could agree on a number of things concerning the nature of this event.

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1-if space, time, matter and energy began, then whatever was the source of this did not consist of (or at least was not constrained to) space, time matter and energy.

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2-by the 1st law of thermodynamics, we know it was the most 'powerful' event to have occurred...as energy cannot be created or destroyed.

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3-by the 2nd law of thermodynamics, we know it was the most 'ordered' event to have occurred...as entropy can never decrease.

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4-science says nothing about things 'before' or 'outside' this event because the scientific method relies upon observation/repeatable measurement.

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In reflection, the above items seem almost mundanely uncontroversial. There may be a few more things both theist and atheist could agree on...but I think I'll stop there for now.

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I'm wondering if a few atheists and theists could chime in on whether or not both sides could agree to the above?

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Cheers,

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S

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