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Do you genuinely feel like general Star Wars fandom is sexist?

I've seen a lot of discussion ever since Disney Star Wars started releasing, that revolves around the issue of "wokeness" in Star Wars. It's often very charged and can get quite personal, but it seems like the people talking the loudest are not doing so with genuine intentions. Several characters and shows have been received divisively, and cast members and crew have come out in their defense and claimed that Star Wars fans are simply sexist and/or racist. This doesn't strike a chord with me at all. Although there are sexists and racists that use this platform as a cover for their nasty views, it seems far fetched to me that the majority or even any significant amount of fans fall into that category.

Star Wars was originally released in the 1977, a far more misogynistic time period. A key figure of that story is Leia, a princess and a leader of the Rebellion. Over the course of 3 films, as she is leading the Rebellion alongside Mothma, she attempts a rescue of Han while disguised as a bounty hunter, and gets captured in the process. She is put in a degrading situation as a result, but ends up choking out her captor Jabba. This is almost the exact reversal of a damsel in distress trope. Later on, although her main qualification is that of a politician, she joins a freakin commando team to destroy the shield generator on Endor.

In contrast, Luke is a whiny ass kid (seriously, he is kind of annoying to start with), who doesn't listen to his masters' advice to finish his training, and for his troubles he gets his hand lopped off and nearly killed. Along the way, he is also nearly killed by wildlife and freezing temperatures both in the same day.

I don't see these "sexist" fans shitting on Leia. She is a fan favorite and people love that she is a badass. There are many other great female characters that are beloved: Mara Jade, Bastila, Padme, Jyn, Ventress, Isard, Kreia, I could go on. Fans had no problems with these great characters.

I guess I just feel very put off by people involved in Star Wars recently, putting out content that keep accusing fans of being sexist or misogynistic when it seems to me that a ton of female characters are beloved by fans of Star Wars. People were really sad that Mara Jade was non-canonized.

I'd love to know your thoughts on the current situation. It seems to me that there are a lot of people lately who are using Star Wars to advance their own personal ideologies, but genuine criticism is often met with accusations and outcry (oh you're woke, oh you're sexist, oh you're anti lgbtq, you're a racist).

The racist angle is appalling to me as well. Mace Windu, while a minor character, is a huge fan favorite to the point where there were a million conspiracy theories hoping he'd survived. Finn had the potential to be one of the best characters ever. A former stormtrooper that was force sensitive!? People were incredibly excited about this character. Disney were the ones that reduced him to a complete joke, leaking water out of him, spending his life chasing after Rey for nothing, and even nixed his romance plotline with the asian woman. That had nothing to do with fans and almost makes it seem like Disney were the racist ones here if you wanted to stretch.

Honestly, I feel like some of the Star Wars content being made, is made by people who don't respect canon and almost look down on fans for liking Star Wars. It feels like they never liked Star Wars or its fans in the first place, and are using it as their own tool to almost "stick it to the fans" in some cases. They seem almost perversely gleeful at ruining original characterizations or canon.

When I was growing up, being a Star Wars fan was often seen as a really silly absurd thing to be. People would look down on you for it and make fun of you. It feels like some of those types are now in charge and participating in the films and shows. "Haha you're an adult person who likes space wizards and lasers? I'll show you". I feel strongly that it's become a vehicle for some to advance their personal ideologies rather than respecting the fandom, the canon, and the idea that Star Wars was meant to be inclusive to everyone with all its species, ideas, interesting characters, etc. I do not remember ever feeling this way about any of the content that came before Disney, and there a LOT of it. It always felt like the IP was respected and expanded upon in interesting ways. Does anyone feel similarly?

Anyway, I'd like to hear differing opinions especially if you disagree with anything I said.

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