Zach Lowe in September: "“If The Mitten (Gary Payton II) got 1,000 minutes in the NBA, he would make an all defense team. He may be the best defensive guard in professional basketball, that’s how good that dude is defensively. He just does nothing on offense and never plays.”

Quote is from around minute 31 of this episode of his podcast: [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-lowe-post/id986595124?i=1000537163597](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-lowe-post/id986595124?i=1000537163597)

Reddit thread where Lowe was generally ridiculed for the take: [https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/pz5elx/zach\_lowe\_if\_the\_mitten\_gary\_payton\_ii\_got\_1000/](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/pz5elx/zach_lowe_if_the_mitten_gary_payton_ii_got_1000/)

A handful of people who had watched him in college agreed with the take, but I'm too lazy to dig out the four or five comments.