Advice needed. I'm searching for a good beginner telescope in Europe

Hi, as the title says I'm looking for a good beginner telescope in Europe. My price range is about 600 euro. I found these by following the beginner sticky at this subreddit.

[GSO](https://www.astroshop.eu/telescopes/gso-dobson-telescope-n-200-1200-dob-deluxe-version/p,14189)

[Omegon](https://www.astroshop.eu/telescopes/omegon-dobson-telescope-push-n-203-1000/p,51434)

I'd like to know if these are good for beginners, and what kind of accessories i need to start. If you think I'd best use another one please tell me :) Any and all advice would be appreciated!