Old BC vampires

V20, or earlier if it matters

Looking for info on what Gen a vampire would likely be if embraced just after the fall of Carthage?

I appreciate that it would be a range, probably 5th (ish)?

Are their any named Brujah and Toreador Vampires of one gen higher (ie 4th if the above is true, I’m aware of the Brujah Troile (sp?))

Also, (related), what amount of xp would a Ghoul have, that lived for say 100-150 years during that time?

(Are there guidelines, or is it best guess)

Thanks.